trading ship

[Baelic]

Well, the materials we'll be transporting won't do us any good, it will be for the service of the prewarp worlds, we'll just get paid by them and stuff.

@administratorS:
how many are you, cause i though it was just one, but it seems to be more.

[ This Message was edited by: Baelic on 2002-11-06 01:19 ]

[limsky]

"the server cannot calculate battles with more ships than 5000". So this is the limitation of the server. 5000 per fleet? So if i have 3 fleets and a planet, theoretically i should be able to build 20,000 ships. So why limits on MP? If limitations is on ships, than put a limit on ships and more liberal on mp.

[Captain Starlight]

@baelic there is 3 admin +smmod +the stteck dude.

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[admin]

the tec_server is only a bot that creates the research postings

[God]

I don't like the idea of trading ships!!

tomany multys!!

please look at the suggestion topic trading!!

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[Bean]

I really don't like the idea either, it's going to make the game more complicated. to many things to caclculate

[Captain Starlight]

Dunno, I kinda like the idea of that there Baelicium, sounds like good stuff.

But seriously, in the past you could trade tech in this game too easily, now the research times are really long, perhaps some trading would be ok. As long as balance is maintained, everything should be looked at.

[admin]

i think trading would have to be an option that a n00b doesent have to follow in the beginning. an option that enriches your activities in the spacetrace universe, but you can also go on like before.
do you know master of orion? there it is the opposite way: you can grow and build kolonies and play the whle game like this, without even start any battle, but you can also concentrate on battling and find your thrill there.



i locked the trading topic, so we can concentrate all our thoughts here, this is the content:

[spacetrace]

very important too:

the time effort for playing spacetrace should not be too high.
this game is made for people with less time too.
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i always think playing against the computer (trading on pre-warp-planets) cannot be fun.

the only fun in a www game is playing with real players. i don't think that colonizing of pre-warp worlds would please me (i would play moo if i wanna play alone).

but how can we trade between real players that way that multies will not have an advantage.

remember:
- a fair trade: both sides think they made a profit
- inventions could be tradeble
- ...
- what else?



[ This Message was edited by: spacetrace on 2002-11-06 11:33 ]

[Baelic]

Well, now that i have thought about it, when i started on the game, i saw that it was very easy to get started, and if this whole trading concept gets started, it would complicate things alot, and getting new players on the game would be very difficult, since the game would be very difficult to master, and play, so sorry about bothering you all.

[admin]

this is not over yet:

i think it woudl be possible to implement something, that takes playce on the planets in your solar system of your planet. this should not be available to n00bs, only if they start this option in their preferences for example. and this could open the gate to planetary trading component with lots of goods: gems sweets, saussages... lets see what we can make out.
and for the money you can make by trading, you can hire mercenaries for planetary invasion battles on the surface.

[dfischer]

Make a trade union or something like in the alliance CoW or MoC. Min of Trade.
That person that would be voted in (like the other positions) and would gather the trade items from the alliance, ship them to whatever world and trade the goods for the Alliance.

Maybe the persons that choice not to join an alliance could be salvagers picking up stuff from pre-warp worlds and trading it with the alliances that are frendily in their area.

This would incress in game communication. And help with recuitment efforts

Maybe the research portion of the game would change to include the items that are traded. SOO you couldn't have nanite tech unless you had X and X is found in galaxy Y under alliance Qs control. But player B found the item on pre-warp world Z so he could take it to the "trade world, ship, space station, whatever" and trade it for tech B to get Human tech.

**this is me ducking**

[Lord Philemon]

I think that trading actually is good, but I'm not sure either what we could trade.
I don't like the idea of trading race-specific technologies. This would make choosing of a race more or less useless and make it harder to calculate what might be in an enemies fleet.
Maybe we could trade technologies which are made for all races but then the amount of trade should be limited, e.g. make a trade ship which you can build only once a week.
Trading recourses on pre-warp planets is a good idea as well. Maybe admins could make up something like an auction market where you can sell and buy the recourses (actually usable for nothing else) for "trading-points". If you are lucky and good at trading you can make points this way (maybe they would be counted seperate). Or there could be a planet where you can make ships of steel or whatever you found on another planet or traded and sell or use them.

[Baelic]

Ok, to make trading avaliable, this "should" be the technologies:

Trading Center: enABLES THE RESEARCH OF ALL TYPE OF TRADING
Galactic College of Comerce: enABLES THE RESEARCH OF TRADING SHIP (SMALL TONNAGE CAPACITY), and enABLES RESEARECH OF CENTER OF COMMERCE
Center of Comerce: enABLES RESEARCH OF TRADING FRIGATE PROTOTYPES 1 and 2, and TRADING GALLEON
Trading Ship: enABLES THE RESEARCH OF TRADING SHIP( small capacity, and slow speed(warp 5)).requires 10 mp to build
Trading Frigate Prototype 1: RESEARCHES THE TRADING FRIGATE TYPE 1( large capacity, slow speed(warp 3) 15 mp
Trading Frigate Prototype 2: RESEARCHEWS THE TRADING FRIGATE TYP2 2( small capacity, fast speed (warp 7) 15 mp
Trading Galleon: enABLES THE RESEARCH OF TRADING GALLEON (large capaacity and faster speed(warp 10)). requires 25 mp to build

All the ships would be researched in 2-4 hours, while the buildings, would be researched in one day, and built in 10 hours.

That's all.
Baelic

[Captain Starlight]

I think trading a tech would be ok, if it was a fair trade, perhaps some should not be tradeable, but,it would have to be a trade, like, missiles for spectre and the person who traded missiles could no longer use them.

[Bean]

So essentially you would be trading research, that would be better than trading actuall ships

[Captain Starlight]

yes, but I just realised that a multi could trade all his crappy ships, grazer prophet etc, for good ones with his other self

[Baelic]

First of all, research cannot be traded, and since no more players can join the game (450 players!!) it would be trading without the threat of multy accounts and the trading "thing" to trade would be raw materials taken to factory worlds, where you trade raw materials, for raw products, and once you bring it to other player's bases, you sell it for points.!
hahaha i don't know...

[Baelic]

I would like all the players to take a look at this forum again, since it is a very good idea (my idea)and think about colonization, with planets, that are willing to become colonies.

[Captain Starlight]

I am still hoping for the ground troops

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